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If more married couples would listen to this there would be less divorce and fewer men would be sleeping on the couch!
Great video.
This video was an amazing insight on how to hold your ground and stand up in the face of racial comments, that are so shocking, that I usually just stand in awe of their ignorance....which translates into letting them off, and essentially giving the comment my approval.
Thanks
Where was this several weeks ago when I committed the "are" sin instead of the correct approach . . .
Good commentary too . . .
Anyone have a good tip on keeping control of the conversation? Like Los I always find myself trying to ignore these comments or let them slide, but they aggravate me every single time!
See, I don't think that color blindness is really Biblical either. For example, Jesus's statement to the woman at the well was not only significant because she was a woman and in an adulterous situation, but because she was a Samaritan and he was not. The important factor, is that Christ accepted and still does accept people just as they are; not as merely human, but a person of particular ethnicity too.
God and Christ accept us just as we are, including our ethnic and cultural heritage. I think it is noble and Godly goal for us to do the same.
Great post Los, keep the realness flowin'.
I think that if someone accepts me as Carlos the Hispanic before Carlos the human we have issues.
And again, as proud as I am of my ethnicity, I do not see my son Losiah as my Korean son, but as my son.
He will go to Korean school, he will learn of his heritige, but he will not be taught to hold that tighter than his identity in Christ.
I think I'm saying I agree with most everything you wrote.
Just want people to know that "ethnicity" is a word that will continue to dissolve as more and more marriages like mine happen.
I am of the human race and I love frijoles.
Los
I have a theory that racism is not based on color as much as it is on culture. I feel like we descriminate more on the basis of how others dress, talk, and act, more than skin color - that's why Tiger Woods was drafted by the Whites in that SNL skit and why some in the African American community think of him as a sell-out. He talks, dresses and acts "white".
These cultural differences are deeply ingrained, and I think they are what make different racial groups uncomfortable around each other and maybe fear each other - maybe for the same reason I feared the cool kids growing-up as a nerd? I think these cultural differences is why they don't hang-out together much (which perpetuates the isolation and differences of the subcultures). I really don't know though, it just seems that way.
This theory also explains why groups in different nations of the same color but different cultures (accent, dress, idioms, traditions) discriminate one another.
I'll be honest, I'm a little uncomfortable chillin with someone that has a thick "ebonics" (or what's a better word? not meaning to offend) accent as opposed to my friend Asher who has a TV accent. Although our skin colors are different, his outward appearing culture is very near to mine - dresses, talks, acts like me.
Perhaps this is racist. If so I need to fix this. But I think it's true that this is the hurdle: embracing people who talk differently, dress differently and act differently - and further - hurdling the past stereotypes of that culture.
Please, no offense Los, please, please, please. I LOVE YOU so much. I think it's interesting that you talk and dress and act less like the ethnic hispanic culture and more like the white suburban culture I'm used to.
What do you think about that? Do you think it makes you more palatable/attractive to the majority white evangelical Christians that do and follow NorthPoint? Do you think it has anything to do with your success? Just questions, I'm curious.
I love you, I love you, I love you.
And I completely agree that we should hold on to our identity in Christ ABOVE ALL else. Amen and amen. I know it's a message I want to understand and live out more and hope that others live out more as well. It would definitely reduce the amount of judgment and heirarchy of sin that exists in FAR too many churches and hearts. Thank you for bringing that point to light. I'm also really glad you like frijoles. I do too in my far too pale whiteness. Peace.
My problem with the race issue is that it doesn't seem to work both ways. If I (as a white dude) stand up and say the types of things that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and other African American leaders constantly say about white people, and just change every instance of "white" to "black," I am immediately dubbed as a racist. But for some reason it's not racist for them to say it about me.
Worse yet, I can't disagree with an educated black man (like Obama, for example) without some segments of the society yelling "racist!" According to some, the word "socialist" means "black." No, actually, socialist means socialist. And Obama's policies are pretty doggone socialist. He wants to take money from the rich and give it to the poor. That's socialism. But I apparently can't say that without being labeled racist.
But I digress. The point is, can we as a culture stop being hyped by the media on who is more racist than whom and simply love each other? Not a chance, apart from the work of Christ in our lives. I can't even love my wife without God's grace.
So, let's all put down our stones and notice that we are no better than the ones we seek to degrade.
What gets me is, if anyone around here I know starts telling me a story about someone, and this person (or any person) in the story happens to be black, they will identify it. For example, if the story was about an old white lady, they would say...
"So i was at the store, and the funniest thing happened. This old lady came up to me and gave me a hug."
But, if the old lady was black, it would go down like this:
"So, I was at the store, and the funniest thing happened. This old BLACK lady came up to me and gave me a hug."
I'm not saying that's a racist comment...but then again, does race have ANYTHING to do with the story? I'm just saying. People are people. Whether they are caucasian, hispanic, chinese, african american, or whatever.
Or the infamous "I don't have anything against THEM." statement.
UGH! THEM?! THEM?! Oh, you mean PEOPLE? Ok, good. Because if THEM meant BLACK PEOPLE, that would have been a RACIST statement.
I like people. And if I happen to not like someone, the color of their skin wouldn't even be the last thing on my mind. In fact, my skin is kind of olive... Am I a martian?
On a funny note, for some reason, a lot of my students have rumored that I'm hispanic. Do I look hispanic? It's ok if I do. I mean, I'm not hispanic. I just don't see it.
Anyways...GREAT post Los. I'm lovin' your blog. I read it every stinkin' day!
-Elgin
i've lived in atl all my life. i'm very much white. grew up in a fairly diverse community, but racism was and is present.
i never really understood the "other side"'s point of view until i got married. my wife is not white. now i see the funny looks, i feel the stares.
this town has come a long way and still has a long way to go.
If we lived our lives only communing with those we are "comfortable with" then we, I don't think, will get very far.
I would ask you, what makes you uncomfortable about chillin with the ebonics spittin dude?
I think if you look one step further, the answer might scare you.
Is it strictly because you have a hard time understanding them? Or is it because their dialect reminds you of something else?
And the me acting white thing, great point. Although I am a bit confused as to what ethnic Hispanic culture talks and dresses like. Unless you mean with an accent and baggy khakis and a wife beater? But yes. I speak differently when I am with you then my grandmother.
And the success you speak of...I'll let you read my email sometime. ;) I'm less welcome than you think.
@Nic // Nailed it. I think to embrace who you are is a beautiful thing. I just think it can be celebrated together. Good thoughts.
@Ben // I'm a bit confused by your comment.
It started and ended with Jesus but the middle was stuffed with what felt like heightened emotions based on political views. The post had nothing to do with politics. It had to do with culture. But to entertain your political points...
If you base what you are going to say on what some segments of society will yell, then you won't ever say a thing.
Don't worry what Al Sharpton says about you.
And it sounds like you are repeating a lot of the "media hype" you are talking about. I think if you yanked the middle of your comment out and just left it with the top and bottom of your post, then yes, Jesus is all over it.
GREAT thoughts guys. I appreciate them all. I'm learning quite a bit myself..
Los
I'm not a ethnic development theorist so I would not know that. But I'll never not be hispanic so I will always embrace it. I just won't be so proud that it comes between my daily relationships.
diversity tomorrow, because today is almost over.
I hear and read about race, race relations and racism and always have the same thought: "Thank God I don't have an experience to compare and relate to that."
I haven't always been a Christian, but I've always held theses same feelings regarding race. I understand that I can't fully understand because there haven't been instances in my life that penetrated the apparent bubble I'm living in, but I cannot help feeling sad for those who have.
I'm not closed minded at all and I have counseled many people dealing with discrimination. I see the pain on their faces and feel the despair in their hearts. I've seen the tough outer walls most try to build to avoid the hurt, but I still don't get it. My help for them always comes in the form of THEIR healing cuz you can't control what other people think. In my opinion, we focus too much on the actions of others. Help others, give to others, be a friend to others...Otherwise, if there are negative feelings, there is obviously some internal issues that need dealt with.
I don't know; maybe I'm rambling here, but the bottom line for me: God has people designated for trying to fix the societal problem of racism and some are here to help individuals. I know my role, I guess and it's possible I'm not supposed to understand the entire problem, which is good, cuz I don't.
Thanks for the thoughts Los!
It's so so interesting to read everyone here riffing on racism - especially with my outsider's perspective, as I'm writing from the UK. A lot of good stuff, and a few bits that were slightly disturbing.
As I roll this around in my head, I'm wondering more and more if we really recognize quite how complex ethnicity and cultural identity is? They are such a rich,deep,fluid subjects... and much more fuzzy around the edges than we're sometimes willing to acknowledge.
Here's my little gumbo:
• I’m hugely proud to be a Scot (with an English accent)
• I baulk at describing myself as “British”
• I’m probably a Londoner as much as anything else
• I feel like a Celt, not an Anglo
• I am married to an English girl of Jamaican/St Lucian descent who regularly drops into patois at home
• My family is a glorious mix of the celtic, anglo and Caribbean, but when Scotland are playing football (that's soccer to most of you! ;-)...there’s only one team for us
• It's only just occurred to me that when I roll with my wife & her sister & all our kids, I'm the only white one there
• I agree with those eminent theologians at Hard Rock, and would wish to "Love All, Serve All"
• Ultimately, my identity is bound up in Jesus
Pax
J
I'm in a southern melting pot type city like with similarities to Atlanta (Raleigh) and after living here for three years it is still an adjustment from living in a northeastern city. It is much more segregated here... and the actions and words of my fellow white residents have definitely come across as racist. This video helps me reconsider how to approach those things when they happen. Gracias por compartir este vídeo...
But you are right, Los, in saying that a lot of what is going on right now is a by-product of political hysteria. But more than race I think what we are experiencing now is more of a culture clash than anything. Here in Charlotte we are now undergoing what Atlanta went through 20 to 30 years ago in that we are growing rapidly and are getting a huge influx of lots of different ethnicities and cultures. The change is causing a lot of tension between the native Southerners and the newcomers. I just think EVERYONE is being too sensitive at times. This may sound like disingenuous but, honestly, my best friend growing up was African-American. We clicked on the first day of kindergarten and we graduated high school together. We now live in different towns, but I still talk to her frequently. With that said I did see my share of bigotry even from some of my own family members, but even as a child I knew it was wrong, and I made up my mind not to be that way. I now go to church here in CLT that routinely has over 30 ethnicities represented every Sunday, and I love it. My husband and I continually say, "This is what Heaven is going to look like." Do we still clash with some cultures? We do at times, but every culture and ethnicity has it's problems including mine.
Then I left high school, joined a performing group, and toured the midwest and the south. I was blown away. I seriously never knew the KKK still existed til I was in Ohio. I remember being in Louisianna and my homestay sharing that it was the first year they didn't have a segregated prom. My heart broke as I looked at the way people were treated and viewed, especially in the south.
That just to say I can imagine the difference for you from Riverside to Buckhead. Thanks for sharing your heart. And sure, people can say how we also need to be connected to our culture and everything else. OK, fine. When we can figure out how to treat everyone fairly regardless of culture, then I'll start to worry about whether or not we lost our cultures. Somehow, I doubt it will be a problem.
peace|dewde
It is all lined with truth and I appreciate your thoughts.
Black racism. White racism. Latino racism. Asian racism.
It will all continue to fade as long as we continue to stop comparing us and them and they said that I'm, ect.
Good stuff.
I am the type of person that has a finely tuned "justice-meter" when it comes to dealing with others (I'll let myself slide far more often), and so it frustrates me when I see inconsistency like the Sharpton example earlier. He should not be allowed to get away with racism, and I shouldn't either.
But again I am slain by the gospel. My call for justice is drowned out by Jesus' "it is finished."
In any case, I highly highly recommend everyone try the tests out at Project Implicit at Harvard. You will be amazed at how deeply prejudice is ingrained in us. You can intentionally be trying to be not biased and still you will likely get a biased result. Chew on that for awhile. https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/
I think it is important to realize we all have our biases, try not to act on them, and also to recognize and talk about our differences and not pretend there are no cultural differences. Cultural differences are great - I wouldn't want the whole world to be just like me. What a boring place that would be!
Pretty cool Harvard thing and i think i could have told you that about myself. We were talking about this the other day in a mtg. I fully realize there is a wide variety of folks out there, but I do get frustrated that so often the first filter people put things through are of a discriminatory and defensive nature whether it be age, sex, race, religion, etc vs expecting the best out of people and giving them the benefit of the doubt regarding the motive behind actions or words. I know I wear rose colored glasses, but i have also seen-a) you will always find what you are looking for b) when you expect the best out of people and believe in them as people, they often prove you right. Yes, many will let you down along the way and there may be some days I'm not as nice as I would like to be. But this is one of those areas I'll try to remember that mercy ALWAYS triumphs over judgement both with others and myself.
All this to say, I agree with you Carlos. I look forward to when it can just be a "strong community". A community with our identities firmly planted at the foot of the cross and we just happen to be men, women, old, young, black, white, asian, southern, northern, SEC, Pac 10, etc.
Go Vols. :)
I think we have a great blessing in that the United States is such a vast mix of peoples and cultures. I don't think it's okay to blend it all together and wash away the contrasts. That is what makes our country so much different than the rest of the world!
With my friends of different races, we tend to tease each other about the "cultural" characteristics of our race in an effort to make fun of it altogether. I am white, so I have no rhythm, my friend Mathias makes some mean fried chicken, Hernandez is never on time to rehearsal...etc. I love celebrating our differences and being friends with people to the point that I forget that they don't look like me....except when on mission trip to Costa Rica, and then Hernandez comes in handy with his fluent Spanish!
All that to say, I think that the racist comments vs. being a racist is a thin line. If I murder, I'm a murderer. If I steal, I'm a theif. If I lie...I'm a liar. So to make a racist comment does at the very least reveal the thoughts that we are having, whether placed there by our grandparents, Al Sharpton, or some other negative influence!
Sorry for the rant Los...
I used to be boldly proud of my heritage. My friends thought it was cool, too.
And then 9-11 happened.
I think it's funny that most people see racism as purely a white/black/Hispanic thing.
I have friends who are Sikhs, Russians, and Persians and they have ALL felt the sting of discrimination.
I see ANY form of bigotry as wrong.
And I don't necessarily agree with the whole "where you were raised" rationalization because I was raised in a rural, all-white, Southern town (rampant with racism) and I have been vehemently opposed to these attitudes since I was a young child. It never made sense to me, on any level.
Perhaps we are subconsciously programmed to automatically notice someone who is very different from ourselves in appearance, but if we ever JUDGE anything about that person based on their appearance, then we have crossed a line.
If you jump to ANY conclusions about me based on appearances (my ethnicity, my social status, my income, my political preference, or even my weight), then you are equally guilty. You don't know me & you don't know my heart.
Bigotry takes ALL forms.
Racism is not the "worst" form of discrimination; it's just the least socially acceptable.
there is more diversity in Austin (45 min away) and San Antonio (30 min away)... It's just THIS town is very bi-racial itself... white and mexican. I have yet to see more than one Asian even...Should I feel weird about this or am I too sensitive?
I don't know about San Antonio being more diverse. There's certainly a bit of racism there towards Blacks from, of all people, the Mexican heritage community from when I lived there. Not a whole lot of Black folks though. At least not compared to where I grew up, which is ironic (Tallahassee, Fl).
I will say that I do love that water park though Rhi.
Austin is probably the best city in Texas. :)
Anyway, back in Tally. Racism trips me out and I just wanted to share I had a similar experience as Carlos. Somehow, this Puerto Rican kid who people thought initially was 'light-skinned' or mixed was ok to tell racist jokes or say racist things. Totally befuddled me.
A lot of people divorce themselves from this topic because it's such an blatant double standard. It's difficult to care when one group is held to an impossibly high standard and other groups are held to no standard at all. OK the internets just got way too serious right there so I'm gonna end with this:
Don't even think of calling me racist 'cuz I've got two black friends, and another Panamanian.
A lot of people divorce themselves from this topic because it's such a blatant double standard. It's difficult to care when one group is held to an impossibly high standard and other groups are held to no standard at all. OK the internets just got way too serious right there so I'm gonna end with this:
Don't even think of calling me racist 'cuz I've got two black friends, and another Panamanian.