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every time i flip on the news.
when i think about darfur.
when i think about china.
when i think about south africa.
when i think about atlanta.
when i remember who and what i am versus who and what God wants me to be.
it wasn't meant to be this way.
I got very pissed and it lasted a few years. thankfully God is sovereign and merciful and loving and he pulled me back in.
Bottom line: we live in a fallen world, where bad things happen to good, God-following people. And sometimes God answers us by sending arms to be wrapped around us, with the promise that someday the tears will stop falling and the pain will be no more.
It's difficult and incredibly hard to grasp when we're living in the here and now. I've been there. I am there.
Last time I got pissed off was the last time my hopes/plans were thwarted. I think it happened last week. But He knows what He's doing, right? Right.
CJ Mills // www.visualtrademark.com
"We can be angry at what has happened to us, without feeling that we are angry at God. More than that, we can recognize our anger at life's unfairness, our instinctive compassion at seeing people suffer, as coming from God who teaches us to be angry at injustice and to feel compassion for the afflicted. Instead of feeling that we are opposed to God, we can feel that our indignation is God's anger at unfairness working through us, that when we cry out, we are still on God's side, and He is still on ours." Humm food for thought
This is it, can you hear me?
When you cry do your tears ever chill up the room?
Calling out every moment of need.
Do you ever lay awake with the look in the eye?
Asking God if a wish is too big to deny.
When I skipped my friend's funeral in January. Friends aren't supposed to die at 21.
When I was 15, I was assaulted brutally during a vicious hate crime and missed the next two years of high school recovering from the injuries and the two spinal surgeries I needed.
My spinal injuries never fully healed and I have been in a great deal of pain for the 13 years since this assault happened - including enduring more surgeries to correct the problems. I have had 100s of people pray for me, powerful men and women of God lay hands on me, people with the "gift of healing" anoint me with oil, and my condition has never gotten better - only worse.
I have had people ridicule me because they feel like I must be a man of little faith because this pain has not gone away, but I have gotten to the point where I am totally convinced that God may never improve my condition and that this has nothing to do with my faith or His love for me.
God loves the Chapman family Los. His love had nothing to do with this awful tragedy and we are now stuck to see and experience the obvious randomness of when and how God intervenes in our real situations.
On days like today, I look forward to a beautiful Heaven with no pain, no injuries, no lack - where we all worship God together at His feet.
I love you all!
Pastor Shaun & Crew
www.ShaunInTheCity.com
Bronner's life and Rick's message have moved me more than almost anything I've heard in my short 30 years.
you can watch and listen online:
http://www.rickandbubba.com
scroll down the front page of their website and you'll see the link for Bronner's memorial page which links to video/audio/transcript of Rick's message as well as in the Show Archives you can listen to the show from the days following Bronner's passing - amazing praise and worship during that time.
Thanks for being so raw.
Los
And when I plead with Him to answer or reveal Himself or do SOMETHING, and He's so SILENT. Everyone says that this is supposed to be a "relationship" with God, but is it right for someone in a relationship to just not speak?? I guess He's "hard to get", like Rich Mullins sang, but holy cow...why?? We're TRYING here, God--why are You so elusive when we're honestly seeking??
Oh, that poor, precious family. God, don't let their son carry this his whole life.
As far as the last time I was angry at God - and for those who think that's a crime or "against God's rules" ... God is not afraid of your anger. - My sister-in-law passed away suddenly at age 29, after she and my brother had been married less than three years. I had a really difficult time with it. And almost five years later, he's still single and battles depression and is very lonely. I think I'm still a little bitter about that. Because it's not easy to see the silver lining in that situation. I guess there's always SOME comfort that "God sees the big picture" and "He won't give you more than you can bear". But is this really what He had in mind? For my brother to be lonely and depressed and single?
Yeh, still dealing with that one -- seven years later.
I read the news here this morning about the Chapman's. Over and over I keep singing "How He Loves Us" in my head. I wish I didn't have to work because I really just want to be on my knees.
http://withoutwax.tv/2008/04/28/rocked-to-my-core/
There were lots of "why?" questions. LOTS.
For me personally, I think it is times like these that really test your's and my faith. Faith is like a tree. When a storm comes, it doesn't move. Nothing will move it. Faith says, "God, I will be here today. I will be here 100 years from now. I trust You and Your word."
God is LOVE. We don't know why this happened, but we cannot let it move us into anger with God, nor let us doubt Him/His Word/His plan.
Satan is the god of this world. He is constantly throwing crap at us, and if we aren't speaking the word and doing WHAT WE KNOW TO DO, then we are subject to it. Just a thought; how do we know the driver was not ignoring a mjor prompting of the Holy Spirit at the time this happened? Not trying to be critical here.
I am very grieved over this as well. It is SO devastating. And I am SO deeply praying this tragedy does not move people into resentment with God.
Just my $.02
I completely understand where you are coming from. I love the line about God watching you with patient eyes. He does understand that we are angry, and don't understand. He is big enough to handle our anger. Your heart is in the right place and God will honor that.
A couple of weeks ago we had neighbors who lost one of their twins to a rare and deadly disease. Sadly they will probably have to go through this again because the other twin also has the disease and her health is fading.
I just do not understand. Maybe we can not understand with our "Earthly" perspectives - maybe the answers will come one day when we can ask Him in person.
when I asked him to heal my mom because she was all I had left and he took her too even though she worshiped him and begged him for healing.
When I asked Him to send me a godly husband to start my own family since I feel so orphaned without a family.
When I asked Him to open the doors for a creative job and I lost my job and the economy went south...
Geeze this is a pandora box! I got issues. Now that Im crying Im going to my "prayer closet" to have the Lord look at me with His patient eyes too.
Thanks Los you know youre my brother.
Yeidy
i've been both trying to and trying not to imagine what the Chapman family are going through today. My heart breaks for the big brother, and for the littlest girl that will be baffled as to the continued absence of her sister.
I don't get it. I know we need to understand that what happens during our life on earth isn't all there is, but... I still don't get it.
What does make me question God is that the majority of the humans on this planet don't know Him. What messes me up is trying to understand why God allows so many people to believe in false religions. And why do so many people not believe in a religion, or faith, at all? Will all these people really be seperated from God forever? What percentage of people alive today are going to heaven? 30%? 20%? Or a very generous 40%? That means that BILLIONS of people will NOT go to heaven. That's troubling! That's confusing. That is something that really shakes me and makes me question.
A five year old girl being tradgically killed in an accident is heartbreaking, but the idea that BILLIONS of people will never know God is what really has me questioning God.
i went on a mile-long walk today largely due to the chapman family tragedy. i trust God, i love God, i know He loves me...and there is so much i do not understand at all.
today, i have thought about maria, your losiah, the girl my wife and i hope to adopt from overseas some day, and lots of others kids i know who have claimed a piece of my heart.
the myanmar and china tragedies happened while we were in the midst of a teaching series connected to a capital campaign. though i know all the amazing things God is doing at qcc and the reasons why we need more space, it was hard for my heart to be fully in the whole deal.
come, Lord Jesus...
And I'm not okay with God allowing the suffering of innocents.
God is good. But sometimes I don't like Him.
their situation has consumed my thoughts all day.
and sometimes i'm afraid that my frustration and confusion equals lack of faith.
i know God is sovereign, and was not surprised.
but i was.
i don't get it.
and i can't get the lyrics to "blessed be your name" out of my head. sometimes trust is a difficult choice.
i can't imagine what this amazing family is going through. maria's parents, siblings, especially her brother. i pray for peace & comfort for them because that seems like the only thing that would help if i was in their situation, because i can't imagine ever understanding "why?"...no matter how much someone prayed for me to.
p.s.~i DO believe in prayer and know that it changes things and brings you closer to God, but when something like this happens, my faith is definitely challenged.
Great thoughts.
May we all struggle OUT LOUD on this journey.
Keep your thoughts coming.
I then left for a mission trip to Malaysia 2 weeks later to tell an unbelieving land about the love of Christ.
Hardest thing I've evr been through. Ever.
God is good. Above all, we have to remember that God is good. Even when we don't understand.
Just curious.
Pastor Shaun & Crew
14 years ago I had been married for about 6 months when I was diagnosed with crohn's disease and came very close to dying. Leaving my 19 year old bride as a widow. I was very angry at God for what was being taken from me.
When these things happen to us we never fully understand why when we are in the middle of the. Honestly, 14 years out, I still don't understand.
www.confessionsofacrohnspatient.blogspot.com
thanks for being honest, Los.
When we first found out about Carmen's diagnosis, I thought, "Wow, I guess God has a different plan for her and for us." I wasn't angry at all. I suppose that some might call it denial and perhaps it was.
But as the realities starting setting in and I realized that some of MY plans were going to be put on hold...the resentment, frustration and anger began to rise up within me.
Almost a year later, Carmen is still with us but is not doing well at all.
I still get angry but, at the same time, I have never EVER felt as close to God as I do now. He has used this horrible situation to expose my selfishness, to soften my heart about the pain that others endure, to be a comforter when others need help. (If you knew me at all, you would recognize the miracle in those last statements). I cannot possibly list the great things God is doing in us, through us, and around us. He has us in the palm of His almighty hands and never lets go!!! He has the Chapmans in the palm of His hands, too...and He's not gonna let them go either.
I believe that through this disasterous event, fresh awareness will be brought to the 140 million orphans around the world who need a home and need to be cared for and to be loved.
I am not suggesting that this is God's motivation for allowing this to happen. None of us know that. But He has promised us that He will work ALL Things for the good of those who are called according to His purposes.
One of my new favorite verses is Isaiah 41:10, which reads:
So do not fear, for I am with you;
do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you and help you;
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
When I saw my motionless, heartbeatless, floating in fluid, tiny baby with bloated belly, hands and feet.
Why?
How?
Even though I asked You for this baby?
Even though you answered?
Why this?
man, i remember it so vividly... 2005/early 2006. i had recently gone to England to do an independent internship on a YWAM base in Derby (NOT a dts, mind you). i returned to the states and started working two mindless jobs to make money so i could hopefully go on an offical dts with YWAM. i applied and was accepted, so naturally i was pretty stoked.
however, not long after getting accepted, i got an email from the director dude saying basically that, in light of some information i gave him later (essentially that i had been battling an eating disorder for the past year and was struggling a little but was finally getting a handle on things), he had talked it over with the other leaders and decided that a dts wouldnt be the best thing for me at the time.
i was SO incredibly pissed. i yelled at God, i cried..i was so convinced the dts was exactly what i needed, and i was so mad at the disease that had kept me from my goals. i also knew that i had blown my one shot--they said i could reapply the following year, but i knew at that point i would have to have a job and be making some sort of income to pay off my student loans.
so that was it. finis.
ive never been so angry at God..or myself. it was a rough time, but fortunately through His grace, ive come to see it all in a new light. it took awhile to understand the "why", and sometimes i still dont get it, but i know He had my best interests in mind.
And to be honest, I think instead of getting mad at God, I just sit and take it. Coming from my background, I'm just used to it.
Thanks for the therapy session Los. Send me the bill.
I know this is supposed to be God said no, but we cant do a no without a yes, we never know who is reading or watching...
We have to keep going...
This has given me comfort this past week as we struggle big time with our failed adoption. We have been waiting for a year to bring home two kids from Ethiopia and just last week the Lord said NO to the two that we felt so strongly were our own. It is so painful and we don't understand.
I do know that God is good all the time, this didn't fall through His hands and that He sees the big picture and my finite mind only sees the here and now. We are so confused, but I rest in the knowledge that He is sovereign and ultimately works all things for our good and His glory.
I can't even imagine the loss the Chapman family is going through. I definitely can't see an ounce of good today but trust that He is Lord of all. I am really praying for Will Frankiln! Again, can't imagine.
At first, I didn't think I was mad at God. Only since March am I admitting that I am really pissed. My daughter lost her sister. My marriage is on strange ground lately. My family lost its innocence that morning. And I'm really mad about it.
The hardest thing is that I was responsible for her care that morning. As many times as people have told me that accidents happen, I cannot sleep at night. It's been a long time since I slept more than 3 hours at a stretch. I live in constant terror that something will happen to one of the surviving kids. It's a terrible way to parent.
Am I pissed? Yup, I am.
I pray that the oncologist is wrong in her estimation because if she's not, I think it's totally unfair for my boy to experience the loss of a second mother. So I get angry, still. Not as angry as I did at first, but I do get angry.
I don't think it's wrong to get angry with God. I talked to a pastor about it and she said it's OK, that "God expects it." In my way of thinking, at least I'm still communicating with Him.
Last time I was really angry at God? News from my daughter's family that left me absolutely shocked... and so worried for my daughter. :(
I volunteer for a rape crisis center and after a year of receiving late night phone calls to the crisis line from children, mothers, and scared young girls about the abuse that they've faced silently for years or the incidents that they can no longer deal with on their own, It still hits me like a wave every time. I get angry with God, and I feel that it's healthy. To not feel this extreme hurt and raw questioning in your core is somewhat unhealthy sounding to me. Not only do I get mad at God though, I sometimes get mad at other christians too. There are those who are always so quick to say "this has a plan" or "from this something GREAT will happen" I'm sorry, but you come tell a 13 year old girl that something great is going to come from the sexual assualt that she's experienced at the hand of her father for the past 5 years. I do belive that God has an ultimately perfect plan, but sometimes the things along the road to that plan are not so perfect. Sometimes you may never find the really good things in some situations, you just have to hope and trust that it will be reconcilled in some way or another. And those are the two virtues that I wish christians everywhere would be a little more authentic about admiting their difficulty.
Thanks los, for admitting the difficulty.
What time is it right now?