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Caroline — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:10:13 -0000

I was blessed by Pastor Josh Turner's comments. I am a worship leader and am very sick with an incurable disease and as my husband and I listened to the song Healer we wept as faith welled up inside for a healing. I've been worshipping God with this song personally and praying about bringing it to our church family. My Pastor said he thought we should sing it as we would any other song that proclaims the truth about God as our healer. God does use us as imperfect human vessels and I'm grateful for this. We need to be praying for Michael and his family and remember 1 Peter 4:8. "and above all things have fervent love for one another, 'for love will cover a multitude of sins.'"

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spark — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:39:58 -0000

im not sticking up for mike or putting him down...I share the verse to show that in the end God always finds ways to bring glory to himself. Thanks goodness for that, cause we dont always get it right.

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spark — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:31:02 -0000

Php 1:15-18 - Some proclaim Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from goodwill. These proclaim Christ out of love, knowing that I have been put here for the defense of the gospel; the others proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but intending to increase my suffering in my imprisonment. What does it matter? Just this, that Christ is proclaimed in every way, whether out of false motives or true; and in that I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,

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Josh Turner — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:37:27 -0000

I am a pastor and a father of a very sick little girl so this song has a very special meaning to me. The more I thought about it the more I came to the conclusion that this is just an example of a perfect God working through an imperfect person. I can not tell you how many time I have stood over my 7 month old daughter and worshiped to this song believing with all that is in me that God is her healer. Just because Michael lied horribly does not negate the fact that God is our healer and that we should scrap this song. I truly believe that worship songs are written by God through people, I mean I know or at least I pray that all of my written sermons come from God. Los, hopefully you feel that all of your songs come from God, just because Michael lied does not mean that God was not trying to say something through him....If God can talk through an ass (Balaam) he can talk through an imperfect human.......Also the comment above made me laugh out loud

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Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:33:14 -0000

Hey everyone, I've got terminal cancer!

...just kidding, it's just a bad porn habit...

See, that wasn't such bad news after all, was it?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/...

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chrishill — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:07:15 -0000

Hilarious. We got punk'd.

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Hi!! — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:31:24 -0000

Hillsong took out the song "healer" and the promo video as soon as they were aware of the situation it just took minutes, an email was also sent to all the church members encouraging them to pray for Mike and His family. Hillsong is just rosponding in a very good way, they are just praying for Him

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Dustin — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:55:08 -0000

I think a lot of us are failing to remember he wasn't caught. He came forward. That takes some guts, especially when he lied to his church, friends, family, and I even believe himself.

A story was published yesterday about his porn addiction from the age of 12. I believe he was so enveloped in a fantasy that he really did think he had cancer. (At some points) But geez, give the guy some credit for coming forward. If he didn't truly want help, he wouldn't have, plain and simple.

No keep in mind I am not condoning what he did. What he did was absolutely wrong, and the actions they took, I believe were needed. That doesn't mean the song isn't anointed, or that the song was a fraud. Maybe he really began writing this song when he really wanted out? Maybe he wanted Jesus to truly be his healer of his addictions? Maybe this was his declaration? I honestly think he has some deep rooted issues, but our position should be to love, encourage, and discipline. That's what every parent does, not because of hatred, but because they love their children, and want the best for them. I believe Mike will come out of this season strong. I believe God is going to do bigger things with him, despite what has happened in the past. David? A man after God's own heart? Paul?

I am going to continue to declare the song over my life, and I am going to continue to pray for the restoration of Mike and his entire family. I believe God is truly going to be his healer with his family, friends, and his marriage. I choose to forgive Mike.

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Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:17:00 -0000

my sentiments exactly

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Gabriel McGee — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:30:38 -0000

People make mistakes. Everyone does.

@ Ryan Armstrong

I believe god gave him that song, but not for that reason.

@ The Canadian

If we did indeed kick his butt, we wouldn't be christians would we? I mean, I understand where your coming from, but that could have been better worded. a bunch of people will probably be pretty offended

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Ryan Armstrong — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:26:16 -0000

I still love Gugs

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Ryan Armstrong — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:19:49 -0000

Los, you're right man, there would be barely any songs left to sing, if we *knew* the lies behind them.
Poor us. That would really suck...for US. And God's altar would be pure. That would suck.
Jesus says if you're unaware meat has been sacrificed to foreign gods then is ok to eat, but if you are aware, then it is not.

Flip from the Phils, yeah that's awesome that Matt Redmond sang a Michael Jackson and someone got blessed. I'm glad a person was blessed. I wonder how God felt though being offered a worldy sacrifice? Matt Redmond is not the bible.

Don't get me wrong, God IS our healer and the words to this song have validation, but
Man... we're too churched and have forgotten his Word. He DOES NOT accept sacrifices given from a an ill heart. Cane & Abel anybody?
Everyone keeps rationalising the validity of this song using worldy concepts. "Oh well we'd have no songs to sing"
"Oh well, the song meant something to me", "Oh well, the words are still true", "Oh well it's still annointed (what the?)"

I said it before, I'll say it again, how about some SCRIPTURE defending this songs place in God's holy house???
Don't risk your sacrifice of praise being rejected by God. Bring him something without blemish. Why risk it? It's God, the Holy Father and creator of the universe for crying out loud, not some imaginary friend we hang out with.
Personally I think Jesus would be driving this song out of the temple with a whip.

Johnny Leckie, right on man. It is just a song... so why risk keeping it given the huge deception associated with it y'all?

Sorry to drive it so hard,I must sound like a douche, it's just my instant reaction to this event is A. Hurt for the family, B. What can WE learn.

Deborah, good for you for spotting the lie. I'm so angry at myself for falling for it, I loved Gugs... he was a total inspiration to me for years.

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Elgin Combs — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000

I can't believe it. But at the same time, it doesn't surprise me. Not in some "jaded church mentality" sort of way, but in the way that you know, we're all human, and we all screw up.

I blogged about it here http://elgincombs.blogspot....

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adam_herod — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:52:48 -0000

God is gracious and full of compassion. His mercies are new every morning. Boy am I glad that is true. Thanks for letting conversation happen Los.

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Alastair Vance — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:50:39 -0000

Good point Johnny Leckie!

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JVo — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:42:14 -0000

Dumb.

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Johnny Leckie — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:43:12 -0000

I feel embarrassed and sorry for the guy. Can you imagine? There's obviously something deeply wrong with him - It's just such a weird thing to do. He definitely needs grace, prayers and mucho counseling.

But we probably should just chill out over the song. It's a song. Not the focus of our worship or faith. A song. Relax.

If you think it can communicate grace or be a reminder that God can use anyone and anything for His purposes, then use it wisely.

But it's probably possible to worship without it. I mean, because, you know...it's a song.

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AJ — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:31:47 -0000

Not a usual poster, but I just think we are all products of a fallen world so none of this surprises me at all. In fact, I kind of see how he could do it. Thanks be to God that our faith, and not our actions, credits to us our righteousness (Romans 4). This actually is the beauty of the gospel that nothing we can do or that we don't do will gain us righteousness in the sight of Christ. This is an opportunity for us all to love and exhibit grace in this situation and in situations to come.

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evan — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:27:55 -0000

This just came out.
Fake illness preacher Michael Guglielmucci told to go to police

Jesus is still lord of the church!!

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Fred F. McKinnon — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:12:07 -0000

Carlos, others ...
I've just posted a Featured Article on this subject called "When Vessels Break" on TheWorshipCommunity.Com at:
http://www.theworshipcommun...

In that article, I share Philippians 1:15-19 ... it's very applicable, I think. Powerful.

We continue to believe, we continue to pray.
For the Kingdom,
Fred McKinnon
www.fredmckinnon.com
www.theworshipcommunity.com

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Joni — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:45:20 -0000

And another thing...how many teachers use made up stories as sermon illustrations and tweak them as "someone I know" or "a friend of mine"? Hmm.

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Joni — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:42:47 -0000

Ugh. I hadn't read or seen all the pre-lie hype on the song. We've been through some REAL pain in our church community the last week. Listening to the song for the first time today was encouraging to me even though our situation didn't turn out the way we wanted. I don't know if it would be a distraction to anyone to continue to use the song. I bet the majority of church attenders don't even know the story behind it.

How did those closest to him not see the lie? I have 3 friends who battled real cancer and its not subtle. I agree with the comments regarding King David too. Do we throw out all his Psalms because he sure did have issues for which as Karen stated he did get his tush kicked. Consequences don't go away even as grace abounds.

Use the song or not I don't know but lets not hold up one song as a "must do" when there are thousands out there that come from the truth. As far as we know. That's the sucky thing. Now every worship leader is going to need a polygraph test to publish anything. BTW, which came first, the song or the lie? The song could very well have been Spirit breathed. But the promo was the no-no.

The royalties should be donated to cancer research or Make A Wish. In that case, buy, buy, buy!

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Chris Surratt — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:27:30 -0000

While I think that the song could possibly go on, I am afraid of the negative short-term effect that it would have on our congregation. I know that I could not honestly lead it right now without distraction. My goal with worship is to not distract people from going where they need to go with God. I pulled it from this weekend's list.

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Drew — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:05:13 -0000

...heard that Michael Guglielmucci is hiding out with those guys who found Big Foot last week...

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Bryan Allain — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:07:14 -0000

Jay, good point regarding David. Seems like in our culture a murderer and an adulterer would NEVER EVER be considered "anointed". Yet God did. Hmm.

Maybe we're forgetting what "anointed" means? If something is anointed it is consecrated or set apart by divine intervention. An "anointed" person is not someone who has achieved a level of sanctification such that he doesn't even really need the Holy Spirit anymore. An "anointed" person is a just a person who God has chosen to use, for whatever reason. Same goes for an "anointed" song.

God often chooses the weak and the humble as his vessels. Sometimes he uses murderers and adulterers. Sometimes he uses people with no major blemishes on their public record, but DON'T DECEIVE YOURSELVES, those folks have sin in their heart too. We all do.

I'll admit, lying to your family about having terminal cancer is severely jacked up. But if any of you think you're better than Mike Guglielmucci, you better check yourself. Or check the Bible. The more we see our sin, the more we see our need for a savior.